TOTD Turbocharger or Supercharger?

[JAYGT]

just thought i would add something.  since i have come back to the pontiac family i am getting trashed on my old toronto streetracing forum.  they are tying to make fun of me getting a fiero.  i have always raced with around 500 people watching so its hard to hide from these guys.  so im getting a hard time from them goin to fiero and a bit of a hard time from you guys for use to owning a honda.   by mid summer i will show toronto what the fiero is made of.  just hope i dont piss you guys off to much.

[lsixtyseven]

Mr Jaygt my feelings are not hurt. So what you're saying is that an engine in order to be considered a race engine it has to be high compression. If that is what you like knock yourself out, but don't say that north america doesn't know how to do a race engine, when your interpertation is a high compression only engine.

I thought that we were talking about turbos and superchargers, and I think gm has had great success with both.

I don't understand what it is you are trying to prove, with guoting all these hondas with this amount of hp doing this much time, in the quarter. Open your eyes and see what is what, nobody is reinventing anything all this stuff hasbeen done before.

Oh by the way a paxton has been done on a fiero before, it's not only for mustangs.

[JAYGT]

putting a paxton on a fiero would be a complete wast of time.   bolt in the 3800sc and kick ass with reliablity and it would last forever. probly cost around the same if you do it yourself. bolt a paxton on a fiero v6 and watch the parts fly.  plus slow.  

[lsixtyseven]

Maybe for you it is a waste of time, some people don't want to do complete swaps, besides this was over ten years ago.

I would like to know what parts are going to fly.

[JAYGT]

tibs how many miles are on an averarge fiero v6?   lets say 100 000 miles.  now you bolt a air pump to it and expect it to be reliable?  with the egr problems most have we are all having detonation problems as it is.  and the car would still be slow. just seams like a silly thing to do when the gtp moter is available.

my gt engine has around 100 000 miles on it and trust me it could not handle any extra psi.

[lsixtyseven]

Like I said before it was done over 10 years ago, and I wouldn't add a turbo or supercharger to a tired motor. I don't think all fiero owners want to swap a 3.8 sc into a fiero, what would be the point of being an individual.

I don't think it's silly to do something different from what everyone else is doing, that would be boring if everyone in this club had a 3.8 sc.

[FieroDough]

Jay, the fat of the matter is the Fiero can handle massive amounts of hp, when done properly, the Fiero can kick some seriosu butt on the 1/4mile and take a hard corner at the end just to piss the other guy off.

ANYONE who just slaps on a turbo or an sc on ANY engine without prepping it first will kill the engine. Even a regular 3800 and a 3800SC have different internals. I don'r care how old the engine is, when you do it right, it will be just as reliable.

Please tell me all this racing stuff you are talking about is on a track? Because this clubb is TOTALY against treet racing and we don't need anything like that to tarnish our reputation.

thanks,
Eric

[2ML67]

I totally agree with Eric street racers are punks who shouldn't be allowed on the road. Driving a little fast on an empty road where only you own life is at risk is one thing but racing through city streets to try and prove something is for assholes especially when you consider that there are tracks to safely race on. Reason some do not use tracks is because thier cars are unfit due to things like pieces of wood shoved into suspension and many other cheap unsafe mods.

[JAYGT]

well someone racing through city streets would have there licience for about a month.  ive had myn for 16 years and havnt had a ticket in 6.  both my race cars had bilstien shocks with iebach coils.  because the car was so light the back sat very high and stiff keeping the weight on the front drive tires.   some guys  with track cars just weld a steel in place of the coil and shock.  the wood is good for poor person thats getting bad times cause of bad setup making him think his car is slow.

any car can handle massive amounts of hp bla bla bla.  i could go to the moon if i had a space shuttle.

mr. dough you just proved my point.  you would have to change  the internals.  now your dumping money on a small engine with little potential.  yes anything can be made reliable if you have deep pockets and rocks in your head.
the 3800sc already has the internals. it is already 1 lt  bigger.  it already has a sc.  what more can you ask.

you can honestly tell me that you have never put the gas peddle of your car to the floor board before on the street?  well you would be the only person in canada, that drives,  that could say that.  thats amazing.

mr. dough you just said this club is totaly against street racing.  now your good friend 2ml67 just said he likes to race his car on  empty public roads.    ah ok i see how it works.

[2ML67]

I think you are missing the point here I said driving fast on an empty road not racing this I do once in a while not regularly not racing someone else but concentrating on what I am doing and on the road not my competitor or pushing further because I am falling behind or he's closing etc...
Racing on city streets is crazy even worse is idiots using things like NOS on the streets and in areas where I live and my children are. No not the street but the sidewalks or parks or boulevards where these out of control idiots end up usually killing others instead of themselves. Thats where I have a problem. When I actually race its not down some main city street or soem residential area or even a some what deserted industrial area it is on a liscenced track where all safety precautions are taken and both my car and my competitors cars have been checked so I do not have to worry about what or whom I am racing. You see I believe one has the right to risk his or her own life not others.

[aaron88]

Not everyone on this forum is against street racing.  What I’m against is doing something unsafely.  Lets face it, someone could fly around downtown safely if all the precautions were taken and on the same note the same person could be following the speed limit on a deserted road and be doing it unsafely.   What does it all come down to?  Well, it’s all relative, isn’t it?  Driving a car in the first place isn’t safe, that’s why we have to have dedicated roads and laws to follow.  The government wouldn’t mandate insurance on the matter if they didn’t think that it was going to be a common to need it.

On another note, as I have said on this forum before.  It’s almost imposable to piss me off; no one here has.  I’m just that kind of guy.  Cheers.

Aaron

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[JAYGT]

well concidering 10 000 people a year die of drowning and about 4 from streetracing  i dont think you have much to worry about.   your more likely to win a billion dollar  lottery than get killed by a organized streetrace.  unless you walk your kids in a deaserted industrial zone at 3 in the morning and like to dart infront of cars.
now you racing, oh im sorry,  driving fast on my street in the middle of the day.  i live on  a 8 minute long street that you can see the next stop light from the first.   old punks race, drive fast,  on it thinking hey i cant see any other cars on this straight new road so its ok.  well  my grandma pulls out of her driveway not noticing you and  you kill her and my kids she was taking to the mall.  and for you this is ok?   how often do you think this happens?  more than 4 times a year?  happens all the time.  so its old punks  that are killing people not organized streetraces.  

i admit i use to drive 260 klh  alot on this street in front of my house.  usually around 4 in the morning going home.  with my high beams on id probly only kill myself.  still stupid.

i dont think any one likes 17 year old kids racing around on busy streets with there stock cars with fart cans.  not sure why you would bring that up.
thats like saying  " i hate these guys that go around raping young girls in parking lots"   what you think someone likes these little kids putting everyone in danger?  kind of silly thing to say.

[lsixtyseven]

Jay why can't you just accept the fact that some of us like our 2.8 and would like to rebuild them, instead of saying we have rocks in our heads. Our we supposed to do whatever you think is best for us, maybe you should post your guide to what we should do to our cars, since you know what's best.

[JAYGT]

 tibs from what i understood he was saying you could change all the internals to accept the extra psi of a bolt on sc.  i was just saying thats an odd thing to do when a bigger 3800sc is  cheap and available already built and reliable.  if i was to rebuild my 2.8 i would wind up having to change the cradle and mounts. so after spending the money on rebuilding the engine i would now be stuck with a 2.8 making 150hp gettin beat up on by most new cars.  the 16 year old auto tranny of myn probly would be a liability so i would have to spend the money to rebuild it at the same time.   now i have spent a huge amount of money and im still stuck with boring stock slow times.  this is why it seams logical to get the 3800sc swap.   you get the engine and tranny.   sounds good to me.  

if you cant do the work yourself then yes it would be a tuff job.  if your car is standard then it would be ok to just rebuild the 2.8 if you dont want a fast car.

i think im going to sell my jeep and buy a southern fiero.  i would fly down and hopfully drive it back.  has anyone done this before?  i want to keep my fiero forever like my trans am.  would be nice to have a rust free frame.  just switch over all my gt panels and interior.  would also be easyr to do the 3800sc swap with a rust free car as well.

[FieroDough]

well someone racing through city streets would have there licience for about a month.  ive had myn for 16 years and havnt had a ticket in 6.  both my race cars had bilstien shocks with iebach coils.  because the car was so light the back sat very high and stiff keeping the weight on the front drive tires.   some guys  with track cars just weld a steel in place of the coil and shock.  the wood is good for poor person thats getting bad times cause of bad setup making him think his car is slow.

any car can handle massive amounts of hp bla bla bla.  i could go to the moon if i had a space shuttle.

mr. dough you just proved my point.  you would have to change  the internals.  now your dumping money on a small engine with little potential.  yes anything can be made reliable if you have deep pockets and rocks in your head.
the 3800sc already has the internals. it is already 1 lt  bigger.  it already has a sc.  what more can you ask.

you can honestly tell me that you have never put the gas peddle of your car to the floor board before on the street?  well you would be the only person in canada, that drives,  that could say that.  thats amazing.

mr. dough you just said this club is totaly against street racing.  now your good friend 2ml67 just said he likes to race his car on  empty public roads.    ah ok i see how it works.

Mr. Jay? I hope you are aware that even dropping in a 3800SC you still need to at least bring the engine to "like new" ie rebuild. I agree with you on the 3800SC, but lets face it. Someone can build a 2.8L that can kick my ass and here is the real knee slapper.. In a REAL race, that person would probably be in a lower catagory then me in my 3800sc, therefore against even weaker competition. So to rest this case that is way off topic, some people have reasons to make the stock engine perform.

now with the street racing, I do not condone driving fast even tho I have as well. Fact of the matter is, you get caught, you get nailed with sppeed or if you were "really" hitting 260, wreckless driving. When there is a car speeding next to you, now that is racing. That gets you in jail. Car seized, no insurance would touch you with a 10 foot pole.  (this is only the legal side of it, not to mention the moral)

What I'm saying is, if you street race, you are chicken.. that simple.. You are too affraid to pop open the hood because you don't want people to see your secret mods? (chicken) can't race in a category? (Chicken) Can't race on a clear track were you can't use traffice to slow the other guy? (Chicken)

And again, my father in law knows alot about Civics ect, is still don't think your car can hit 260... that thing would wobble in every possible direction, there is too much air turbulence in the rear that the back is tossed around.

Anyhow. Be smart about it and if you street race, makes sure you don't have anything that identifies you to the club, we don't need any bad publicity.

Cheers!
Eric